
Foundry fellows question the practitioners and scholars of tech law.
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Fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry lead these interviews, questioning attorneys, academics and in-house privacy leads. The conversations range from why fragmented data laws complicate product design to how the opinions in FSC v. Paxton disagree over precedent.
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About Tech Policy Grind
Tech Policy Grind is the interview podcast of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, and what sets it apart most is who asks the questions. The interviewer changes from episode to episode, and each one is a Foundry fellow. Victoria Ferrari and Jarek Lim introduce themselves as members of the seventh cohort. Justice Shannon, of the sixth, leads the conversations with Professor Eric Goldman and Dr. Jennifer King, and Daniela Guzman-Peña and Evan Enzer take others. Episodes typically open the same way: the fellow names the Foundry, then often hands over to the guest for a self-introduction. What follows is a working conversation between someone from the Foundry's next-generation network and someone already doing the work. Cross-border data is one strand. Amanda Molina, an attorney and associate general counsel, treats the patchwork of national rules as a product design problem. If a company builds to the strictest global standard, its product may lose ground to local competitors who face no such limits. If it builds a separate version for each jurisdiction, the engineering splinters and opens more attack vectors. Darren Grayson Chng, who directs data protection across Asia Pacific, the Middle East and Africa for Electrolux, comes at the same problem from the compliance side. He notes that a company applying one standard such as GDPR has an easier time than one trying to satisfy every country's law separately, and that promising to keep citizens' data at home plays well with voters. Age verification is another strand. Professor Eric Goldman, introduced as an expert on First Amendment law and Internet policy, takes the FSC v. Paxton opinions apart and argues the court should have treated online and offline age checks as functionally different. Dr. Jennifer King tries out alternatives: a third-party credential along the lines of PreCheck, perhaps a rotating cryptographic key, anything but another single identifier like a phone number. She admits the engineering is outside her expertise and asks the tech sector to come up with solutions. Competition law comes in through Joe Jerome of DuckDuckGo and the DOJ's antitrust case against Google. That conversation covers Perplexity's complaints about Google's warning banners, which some call dark patterns, and reporting that signals from Chrome feed into search. It also includes pushback on the idea, arguing that breaking up Google is partly about the headline. Careers get space too. Evan Enzer's conversation with Pedro Pavone, a lawyer and policy advocate focused on privacy at Meta, covers diversity in privacy and tech policy and how the company has tried to learn from past mistakes. For a first listen, 'Data Without Borders: The Patchwork Problem of a Connected World' and 'S6E3: Cross-border data flows with Darren Grayson Chng' work well as a pair, looking at one problem from two professional seats. Anyone tracking age-verification law can go straight to 'S6E1: FSC v Paxton with Prof. Eric Goldman'.
Made for: Suits a listener who wants tech law explained through the tradeoffs working professionals face, such as building one product for many privacy regimes or designing age checks without adding another reusable identifier. Also fits someone weighing a career in tech law and policy who wants to hear how people in the field describe their work.
What sets it apart: Episodes are led by different fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, so each conversation pairs an emerging professional with a practitioner or scholar. The guests speak from inside the work, from a data protection director at Electrolux to a privacy-focused lawyer at Meta.
In their own words
On the Tech Policy Grind Podcast, we discuss the most pressing issues at the intersection of law and technology. We chat with friends and fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry about their perspectives on emerging topics in tech law and policy. From AI to cybersecurity, internet governance, privacy, and more - join us weekly to dig into the latest in tech policy!The Tech Policy Grind was created by Fellows from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. The Foundry is a collaborative organization for Internet law and policy professionals who are passionate about disruptive innovation.Reema Moussa is our host and executive producer. Evan Enzer is our editor, Daniela Guzman Peña produces the…
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Episodes
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Data Without Borders: The Patchwork Problem of a Connected World
Hidden gem["Amanda Molina says cross-border data transfers happen every time cloud apps, streaming services, or ad platforms move user data across borders, and she frames the issue as power over information.", "She contrasts the EU's GDPR, the U.S.
Mar 24, 2026·39m·2 clips - 2
S6E3: Cross-border data flows with Darren Grayson Chng
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind pairs Jarek Lim with Darren Cheung, Electrolux's Regional Data Protection Director for Asia Pacific, Middle East and Africa and a former Singapore PDPC policymaker, to unpack cross-border data flows.
Jan 14, 2026·31m·2 clips - 3
S6E2: Can Age Assurance Respect Our Privacy?
Hidden gem["Tech Policy Grind S6E2 pairs Justice Shannon with Dr.
Oct 17, 2025·1h 7m·4 clips - 4
S6E1: FSC v Paxton with Prof. Eric Goldman
Hidden gem["Tech Policy Grind talks with Professor Eric Goldman about FSC v.
Oct 16, 2025·54m·3 clips - 5
S5E7: Ahead of Google’s Response, DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome explains the DOJ’s Antitrust Case
Hidden gemJoe Jerome says Google gathers in 13.5 months the amount of search information Bing would need 17 years to match, and he uses that gap to explain why the DOJ's Chrome and Android remedies matter.
Dec 18, 2024·42m·2 clips - 6
What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Evan Enzer interviews Meta privacy and fairness policy advocate Pedro Pavone about responsible technology, career transitions, and diversity in privacy work.
Jun 12, 2024·38m·2 clips - 7
Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5]
Daniela Guzman-Peña hosts two conversations on responsible technology design, featuring Aishwarya Vardhana of Wikimedia Foundation and Harley Geiger of Venable.
May 23, 2024·32m·2 clips - 8
Conversations from State of the Net: AI’s Impact on Cybersecurity and the Future of Work [S5E4]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind revisits State of the Net 2024 with Heather West and Charlie Snyder on AI’s cybersecurity uses, including Google’s report that generative-AI incident summaries made response teams about 50% faster.
Mar 28, 2024·37m·2 clips - 9
First Amendment Experts Dig Into Supreme Court Cases That Could Change Future of Online Discourse [S5E3]
Tech Policy Grind examines NetChoice v.
Mar 7, 2024·36m·2 clips - 10
Making the Case Against Aerial Surveillance, with the ACLU’s Jay Stanley [S5E2]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Caitlin Ringrose interviews ACLU senior policy analyst Jay Stanley about aerial surveillance, drones, privacy, and free expression.
Mar 1, 2024·34m·2 clips - 11
State of the Net Live 2024: Neurotechnology and Privacy, a New Era of Internet Geopolitics, and the Legal Landscape for Online Expression [S5E1]
Tech Policy Grind's State of the Net Live 2024 episode brings together Daniela Guzman Peña, Jameson Spivak, Colin Crowell, and Nicole Saad-Vembridge on neurotechnology, internet geopolitics, and online expression.
Feb 22, 2024·54m·3 clips - 12
The Tech Policy Grind Signs Off (For Now!) [S4E38]
Hidden gemReema Musa, Lama Muhammad, and Mary Bagdasarian review nearly two years as Internet Law and Policy Foundry fellows in the final Tech Policy Grind episode of Class Four.
Dec 29, 2023·1h 8m·4 clips - 13
How to Start a Tech Policy Podcast and Other Stories with Reema Moussa [S4E37]
Hidden gemReema Musa recounts her path from international law interests in Geneva to cybersecurity, privacy, AI, trust and safety, and internet governance.
Dec 21, 2023·38m·2 clips - 14
A 2023 Privacy Law Update with Keir Lamont and Divya Sridhar [S4E36]
Tech Policy Grind hosts Reema Musa, Keir Lamont, and Divya Sridhar review U.S.
Dec 14, 2023·1h 13m·5 clips - 15
The TPG Gets Meta (Not That One): Podcasters Unite! with Angelique Carson, Nicole Dove, and Noah Katz [S4E35]
Reema Musa hosts Noah Katz, Angelique Carson, and Nicole Dove for a discussion of producing privacy, security, and tech-policy podcasts.
Dec 7, 2023·45m·3 clips - 16
Brazilian Privacy Update with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso [S4E34]
Hidden gemReema Musa interviews Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso of VMCA Advogados about Brazil's LGPD, ANPD enforcement, and the country's emerging AI regulatory framework.
Nov 30, 2023·48m·3 clips - 17
What’s New In Tech Policy with the Foundry Fellows [S4E33]
Nov 23, 2023·24m - 18
Demystifying Election Security Misinformation with Katie Harbath [S4E32]
Hidden gemKatie Harbath of AnchorChange distinguishes misinformation from disinformation by whether the person sharing false content knows it is fake.
Nov 2, 2023·35m·2 clips - 19
What’s Class Five Up To? With Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña [S4E31]
Hidden gemZia Muhammad, an Amazon product manager for AWS Quantum, explains how quantum processing units differ from CPUs and GPUs and why current systems remain research-based.
Oct 26, 2023·26m·1 clip - 20
Fellow Highlights: Curiosity and Collaboration with Dyllan Brown-Bramble [S4E30]
Hidden gemDylan Brown Bramble, a Class 4 Internet Law and Policy Foundry fellow and New York associate, describes his path into technology law through Georgetown’s Tech Institute and Tech Law Scholars Program.
Oct 19, 2023·29m·1 clip - 21
Getting Up to Speed on Vehicle Privacy with Adonne Washington and Andrea Amico [S4E29]
Hidden gemReema Musa hosts Evan Enzer, Adani Washington of the Future of Privacy Forum, and Andrea Amico of Privacy for Cars on connected-vehicle data practices.
Oct 12, 2023·34m·2 clips - 22
Queer Privacy and Digital Equity with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio [S4E28]
Hidden gemCaitlin Ringrose interviews Coben Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio about protecting sexual-orientation and gender-identity data in queer online spaces.
Oct 5, 2023·30m·2 clips - 23
Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27]
Reema Musa interviews Justin Sherman, CEO of Global Cyber Strategies and a Duke data-brokerage researcher, about how companies collect and sell personal information.
Sep 28, 2023·56m·4 clips - 24
An Engineer’s Guide to Cyber Policy [S4E26]
Hidden gemGrant Versfeld, a threat intelligence engineer at a major tech company, describes moving from computer science and cybersecurity into public-interest cyber policy.
Sep 14, 2023·28m·1 clip - 25
Human Memory and Digital Preservation with Stephen Abrams [S4E25]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Reema Musa introduces Rebecca Kilburg's interview with Harvard Library digital-preservation head Stephen Abrams about maintaining digital collections for future use.
Sep 7, 2023·35m·2 clips - 26
Cyberlaw and Incident Response with Jena Valdetero [S4E24]
Hidden gemGina Valdatero, co-chair of Greenberg Traurig's U.S.
Aug 31, 2023·38m·2 clips - 27
Spanning the Tech Policy Spectrum with David Morar [S4E23]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind features David Morar, a senior policy analyst at New America’s Open Technology Institute, discussing his path from Romania and international-affairs study into internet governance.
Aug 24, 2023·34m·2 clips - 28
Privacy, Patience and Practice with Justin P’ng [S4E22]
Hidden gemJustin P’ng describes his move from international relations at the University of Toronto and human-rights work into privacy and cybersecurity law at Fask & Martineau Dumoulin.
Aug 17, 2023·34m·2 clips - 29
Cracking the Code: Addressing AI Bias with Jiahao Chen, Amber Ezzell, and Juhi Koré [S4E21]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind's Policy Hackathon panel brings together Jihao Chen, Amber Ezell, and Juhi Kouraya to examine how AI systems used in housing, credit, hiring, and public services can reproduce historical discrimination.
Aug 10, 2023·38m·2 clips - 30
Building a Responsible Tech Community with David Polgar [S4E20]
Hidden gemReema Musa interviews All Tech is Human founder David Bridenpolgar about responsible technology, civic participation, and building a community around tech ethics.
Aug 3, 2023·34m·2 clips - 31
Will Art Survive In the Age of Generative AI? With Kieran Henstenburg and Christopher Shannon [S4E19]
Tech Policy Grind host Lama Muhammad speaks with Glen Echo Group's Christopher Shannon and Kieran Henstenberg about guardrails for generative AI in creative work.
Jul 27, 2023·37m·2 clips - 32
Artificial Intelligence Use Cases with Gillian Diebold, Hodan Omaar, & Charley Snyder [S4E18]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind's Alvaro Maranian moderates Hodan Omaar, Charlie Snyder, and Jillian Dybald on AI applications in cybersecurity, education, and public policy.
Jul 20, 2023·32m·2 clips - 33
Decentralizing Social Media with Eric Goldman [S4E17]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Reema Musa interviews Professor Eric Goldman about decentralized social media, content moderation, and internet law after Elon Musk’s October 2022 acquisition of Twitter.
Jul 13, 2023·38m·2 clips - 34
Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property [S4E16]
Tech Policy Grind's AI-and-intellectual-property webinar examines how generative AI training data, outputs, and human authorship fit within copyright law.
Jul 6, 2023·36m·2 clips - 35
From the Hill to the Bar: A Path to Cyberlaw with Allyson McReynolds [S4E15]
Allison McReynolds traces her path from a college paper on cyberattacks by non-state actors to Hill work on telecommunications and net neutrality.
Jun 29, 2023·24m·1 clip - 36
Artificial Intelligence 101 [S4E14]
Tech Policy Grind’s “Artificial Intelligence 101” brings Reema Musa, Dylan Bramble, Michaela Mantegna, Dr.
Jun 23, 2023·35m·2 clips - 37
Catching Up with the Oversight Board: Reporting on Content Moderation, Elections & Human Rights with Pamela San Martín [S4E13]
Pamela San Martín, a Mexican lawyer and former electoral counselor, explains how the independent Oversight Board reviews Meta’s content decisions using international human rights standards.
Jun 15, 2023·35m·2 clips - 38
Collaborating for a Secure, Stable Internet: A Conversation with ICANN’s Sally Costerton [S4E12]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Joe Catapano interviews ICANN interim president and CEO Sally Kosterton about whether internet governance can preserve an open, secure, and interoperable internet as multistakeholder models face pressure.
Jun 8, 2023·44m·3 clips - 39
Rethinking Multistakerholderism in Internet Governance with Ayden Férdeline [S4E11]
Hidden gemOn Tech Policy Grind, Mary Bagdasarian interviews Aidan Ferdeline about internet governance, his Landecker Democracy Fellowship, and the United Nations Global Digital Compact.
Jun 1, 2023·40m·2 clips - 40
Gaming and Civil Rights with Albert Fox Cahn [S4E10]
May 25, 2023·23m - 41
AI Integrity with Talha Baig [S4E09]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind host Rima Musa interviews former Meta engineer Tal Habeg about generative AI, misinformation, trust and safety, and the Integrity Institute.
May 19, 2023·41m·2 clips - 42
Connecting the Dots Backwards with Ellen Magallanes [S4E08]
Hidden gemEllen Magallanes, Senior Counsel on the Wikimedia Foundation’s privacy team, discusses moving from Australia into technology law and policy after working at a difficult five-person tech company.
May 11, 2023·34m·2 clips - 43
Finding the Tech Policy Community with Ashkhen Kazaryan [S4E07]
Hidden gemAshkin Kazaryan describes moving from Russia and an academic family to U.S.
Apr 27, 2023·39m·2 clips - 44
Health Privacy 101 with Jordan Wrigley and Kirk Nahra [S4E06]
Tech Policy Grind host Rima Musa interviews Kirk Nahra of WilmerHale and Jordan Wrigley of the Future of Privacy Forum about health privacy after Dobbs v.
Apr 20, 2023·49m·3 clips - 45
The TPG North American Tour: the Foundry Takes ICANN76, WiCyS ’23, and IAPP’s Global Privacy Summit [S4E05]
Rima Musa reports from ICANN76 in Cancun, WICS 2023 in Denver, and the IAPP Global Privacy Summit in Washington, D.C.
Apr 13, 2023·40m·2 clips - 46
A DIY Tech Policy Major: Fellow Highlight with Lama Mohammed [S4E04]
Hidden gemLama Mohammed describes how Mark Zuckerberg's Cambridge Analytica testimony led her from interdisciplinary studies at American University toward tech policy.
Apr 7, 2023·24m·1 clip - 47
Welcome to Our New Foundry Fellows: the Next Generation of Tech Policy Professionals [S4E03]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind's S4E03 introduces new Internet Law and Policy Foundry fellows Akene and Lili through their backgrounds, fellowship motivations, and first experiences at the Foundry kickoff and State of the Net.
Mar 30, 2023·41m·2 clips - 48
Digital Safety and That Section 230 Thing – Conversations from State of the Net (Part 2) [S4E02]
Hidden gemTech Policy Grind's State of the Net conversations examine child privacy, digital safety, and Section 230 with Natalie Campbell, Matt Perrault, and Yael Eisenstadt.
Mar 23, 2023·30m·2 clips - 49
What’s Going on with the Web? Conversations from State of the Net 2023 (Part 1) [S4E01]
Tech Policy Grind records conversations from the March 6, 2023 State of the Net conference with Alan Davidson, Bertram Lee Jr., and Patrick Lin.
Mar 16, 2023·39m·2 clips - 50
Will the U.S. Ban TikTok? With Adam Kovacevich and Carl Szabo [S4E00]
Tech Policy Grind examines whether the United States should restrict TikTok, with Adam Kovacevich of Chamber of Progress and Carl Szabo of NetChoice debating ByteDance's Chinese ownership, data access, and propaganda risks.
Feb 2, 2023·52m·3 clips