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Madeleine Thien Reads Yoko Ogawa

October 1, 2022·1 hr 10 min·5 clips
Madeleine Thien describes Yoko Ogawa's ability to bypass language and tap into fleeting, unnameable feelings.
Madeleine Thien reads and discusses Yoko Ogawa's story 'The Cafeteria in the Evening and a Pool in the Rain,' exploring themes of isolation, memory, and psychological states. Thien and host Deborah Treisman analyze Ogawa's unique ability to evoke wordless emotions and the story's narrative techniques.

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A hushed Ogawa reading where cafeteria windows, schoolyard shadows, and ordinary objects turn quietly strange.

Madeleine Thien reads Yoko Ogawa's "The Cafeteria in the Evening and a Pool in the Rain," translated by Stephen Snyder, with Deborah Treisman framing the story as one chosen out of Thien's admiration for Ogawa's elusive effects.

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