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Keeping a Hand on the Wagon

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"Keep your hand on the wagon and walk alongside" redefines relapse as staying connected.

Lisa Chance introduces Audrey Fung and opens the conversation around what happens when fasting stops feeling straightforward. Audrey says she first learned about fasting maybe 10 years ago, back in Malaysia, after Dr. Jason Fung started coming out and after she already knew about Megan Ramos, Jason Fung, and The Obesity Code. The problem was not fasting itself. She could manage three-day and five-day fasts, but the results never matched the effort, which pushed her to look for the fuller picture inside the TFM community. Heart health is part of why she came in more seriously. The conversation makes it clear that what looked like a simple matter was really tied to bigger questions about physiology, expectations, and where to go for answers. Lisa then turns to one of the most common questions she hears: what food should people eat, or what lab test can tell them their food. She says the hard part is figuring that out, and the best thing you can do is an elimination diet. She mentions several frameworks people can use, including Whole30 and book club reads such as The Paleo Cure and The Adrenal Transformation. The episode stays in everyday coaching language rather than turning that guidance into a grand theory. Audrey also talks about the newsletter mention that made her the famous Audrey for a week. That note came from one of Coach Amy's sessions, where she described an image that stayed with her: not falling off the wagon and disappearing, but keeping a hand on it and walking alongside. She connects that image to the real limits of her body. After losing 25 pounds, the five-day reset that once came easily now feels different, so she joins the reset life groups even when she is not doing the full reset herself. For her, participation still matters. It is a way to keep checking in, ask what's new, and stay close to the work instead of treating one missed pattern as the end of the road. Lisa responds by naming how hard people can be on themselves. She says that making it to 41.5 hours should be met with encouragement, not the kind of inner voice that asks what went wrong with the other 2 percent. The closing stretch lands on black-and-white thinking, the habit of seeing life as either on the wagon or off the wagon. The episode ends by pushing for shades of gray, with a gentler image of progress that can hold both effort and adjustment without turning either one into failure.

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A steady fasting conversation about staying near the wagon instead of treating every wobble as failure.

The episode follows Lisa Chance and Audrey Fung as they talk through fasting as a practice built on adjustment, not rigid rules. Audrey traces her interest back about 10 years to Malaysia, Dr.

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When you want a calmer way to think about getting back on track after a wobble.

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