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The Cipher · Duane Finley

The Realest Talk Ever

June 22, 2020·56 min·5 clips
Two friends in Indy launch a 'realest talk' podcast on race relations after George Floyd's death.
The setup has changed, but the rhythm is still there. The host opens on the return to an official Cypher studio with AJ, then steers the conversation toward race relations after George Floyd. They start on the road first. Basketball travel, kids, friendship, and a spades joke give the room some air before the heavier talk shows up. AJ answers plainly, and that becomes the point. When the subject moves to manhood and unequal resources, it lands like two friends talking it through, not a lecture. The host backs him hard. Charlemagne becomes the way into reparations, less as a celebrity reference and more as a way to sharpen the argument. The episode is not really about checks. As the host lays it out, the stronger idea is putting bailout money into Black communities and Black businesses so jobs and resources can grow. Tulsa comes up next. The host admits he is still learning, but the point is clear: thriving Black ownership was there. Rosewood comes into it too. Again and again, the conversation returns to resources. Communities cannot rise on speeches alone. The jokes still matter, because they do not dodge the issue. They keep the talk human enough to stay with. By the end, the ask is simple: cut the bullshit, work toward something together, and treat honest dialogue as the first real move.

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A loose, candid conversation that moves from friendship and basketball into race, reparations, and community repair.

The Cipher turns a studio catch-up into a candid conversation about race, community, and what repair might require. It opens in easy territory, with friendship, basketball, and some spades banter, then shifts into reparations, Black business, Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Rosewood,…

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You want a real talk race conversation with no polished edges.

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