Queer Story Time The Podcast · Stevie Inghram

EXPOSING Conversion Therapist Jayson Graves: Featuring Sam Brinton from The Trevor Project

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Wayne says conversion therapists keep changing "their clothes quite often" and traces a decades-long abuse pattern.

Stevie Ingram opens episode 21 by calling Queer Story Time a brave space for queer and trans stories of radical affirmation, acceptance, empowerment, and healing. The host also thanks listeners and notes that the episode arrives two days after a 37th birthday. That gratitude sets the tone before the conversation turns serious. Stevie introduces two powerful LGBTQ+ advocates whose work targets the lies and pseudoscience of conversion therapy. A warning follows for listeners who may find the subject matter sensitive. From there, the conversation gets direct, urgent, and plainspoken. A major thread is the harm that comes when stories are trusted but not properly verified. Sam Brinton's name enters that argument as the speakers debate trust, story, and the cost of getting it wrong. They treat that mistake as a real blow to the movement, not a small side dispute. The guests say the fallout produced hundreds of negative stories that opponents could use against queer and trans people. They also note that the people who benefited from the damage did not come back to repair it. The episode pushes back on the idea that truth can be swapped out for a useful narrative. It ties that argument to the long fight against conversion therapy campaigns backed by groups such as Focus on the Family. The speakers point out that integrity helped queer and trans movements win respect in the first place. The conversation also turns toward the profit motive around LGBTQ suffering. From there, it widens into a discussion of policy, including Bill C-4 in Canada. But the episode keeps insisting that conversion therapy is not limited to licensed healthcare settings. It can also show up in homes, small church groups, temple groups, and similar community spaces. That broader frame gives the discussion its urgency and its bitterness. By the end, Queer Story Time leaves listeners with a community-centered argument for truth, accountability, and protection.

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A blunt conversation about conversion therapy, advocacy, and the harm it can do in homes and faith spaces.

Queer Storytime centers a blunt conversation about conversion therapy, with Stevie Ingram framing the episode around queer and trans stories of affirmation, empowerment, and healing.

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Hear queer advocates expose the lies and pseudoscience behind conversion therapy.

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