Pain Unfiltered · American Society of Pain & Neuroscience

Nutrition, AI, and the Future of Pain Care

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Robert Miller says Limbus Health embeds nutrition care inside the EHR and uses CCM billing.

Patrick Buchanan opens the conversation with a question. He frames it around the surge of interest in AI, health, peptides, and Aspen's new committee work, and asks what those shifts mean for chronic pain patients and for the organization itself. Timothy Deer answers directly. He says Aspen has created divisions rather than just committees, and he describes that move as a full commitment to AI, health, longevity, and age-related pain, with Bobby Mogum chairing the effort and other leaders involved. The tone stays grounded. From there the discussion moves away from the headline idea and into the mechanics of how a clinic might use a new care model, because the guests keep returning to overloaded schedules, follow-up visits, and patients who still struggle even when pain is better. That is where Rob takes over. He breaks the answer into two parts, first explaining how care would begin with the patient and then how billing and reimbursement would begin for the practice, which keeps the conversation tied to how real offices operate. Workflow matters here. He emphasizes that the system was designed through the lens of both the physician and the APP, with the clear goal of not adding burden to the workflow that already exists. That constraint shapes everything. He notes that early-stage startups hear the same complaint again and again from health systems and private practices, because clinicians are already pressed for time and cannot absorb another complicated process. The starting point is simple. Rather than leading with technology, the conversation starts with lifestyle, which lets the practice connect the idea of better health to a patient who may have had pain improvement but still lacks function and is asking how to get healthier. The questions get specific. The hosts press on EHR handling, RVUs, billing, and how a nurse practitioner or physician assistant would introduce the service to a patient who needs something more than another procedural follow-up. The answer stays orderly. By splitting the discussion into patient initiation and reimbursement, Rob keeps the subject usable for people who need to turn an appealing idea into an operating clinic process. The episode closes on utility. Patrick and Tim thank the guests, call the approach another tool in the toolbox, and leave with the sense that AI and lifestyle-oriented care have to earn their place by fitting practice reality rather than competing with it.

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AI only matters here if it can fit a pain clinic's real workflow.

Pain Unfiltered stays on the practical side of pain-clinic operations instead of drifting into broad AI hype. Patrick Buchanan and Timothy Deer frame the conversation around Aspen's divisions on health, longevity, age-related pain, and AI, then move to a more useful question:…

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