EconTalk · Russ Roberts

The Past and Future of AI (with Dwarkesh Patel)

April 28, 2025·1 hr 37 min·5 clips
Patel argues AI's power lies in billions of digital minds that can copy, merge, and share states instantly.
Host Russ Roberts interviews podcaster and author Dwarkesh Patel about his book 'The Scaling Era,' exploring the thesis that AI's explosive progress is driven more by massive increases in computing power than algorithmic genius. The conversation spans technical explanations, the path to AGI, the societal implications of AI 'hive minds,' and ends with a meta-discussion on the craft of podcasting and discovering obscure experts.

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For anyone who follows AI closely and wants to know what still unsettles even the careful optimists.

Russ Roberts has spent decades in conversation with economists and scientists, and he is not easily unsettled. So when he says The Scaling Era -- Dwarkesh Patel's oral history of AI from 2019 to 2025, written with Gavin Leach -- left him, for the first time, a little scared, it…

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You have heard the smart-assistant pitch. Dwarkesh Patel makes the argument that should come after it.

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