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Payne Interviews Kerri Rawson, BTK's daughter (Part 2) [bonus]

September 25, 2025·30 min·2 clips

BTK told a journalist a demon frog named Bater made him kill — then mailed his daughter an 8x10 photo of it after she called it out on camera.

The problem starts with protection. She explains the Son of Sam laws as a shield for victims and families, then puts that next to a market that still finds ways to sell infamous evidence and private objects. Her disgust is not subtle, and fair enough. She describes dealers treating the trade like a living while moving prison-linked material that should not have become merchandise in the first place. Then it turns legal. When she says her father skirted the law for six years, she does not leave much wiggle room. To her, he was breaking it, and nobody had really stopped him. The examples are grim and weird: prison-stamped sweatpants, gold fillings, things that allegedly made their way into this world. That raises the practical question. How does someone in prison still get access to those items, and who is passing them along? She points to a black market. She says the issue has been in the news and that she has talked about it before. After that, the story tightens around the family boundary. Her last letter to her father was in fall 2017, after he tried to pull himself into her media work and her book. She did not plan for it to be the last letter. It just became the last one. Trust was gone. Journalists were contacting him, or contacting her to get to him, so anything she wrote could end up outside the privacy she needed. The last detail is small and nasty. In April 2020, while she was in bed recovering from COVID pneumonia, she saw on Instagram that someone had sent her father the front page of her book. He was not allowed to have the book. The boundary was closed, and someone still tried the door.

As heard by us

Kerri Rawson gives a blunt, personal account of BTK's continued reach through letters, prison items, media attention, and family boundaries.

Payne Lindsay's bonus conversation with Kerri Rawson stays on one of true crime's uglier afterlives: the way a killer's name, letters, prison items, and autographs can keep circulating long after the damage is done.

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You want a bonus true-crime conversation with Keri Rawson, the daughter of BTK, as she talks about the prison mail and media pressure that kept pulling her back into the story.

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